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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2016, 12:41:42 pm »
Your first two lists look pretty good.
Is your battlecruiser accompanied by a torpedo cruiser? I didn't even realize that was an option. I haven't really looked at those new ships yet though. That's a much better escort option because it can have nuclear torpedoes.
List one has the potential to give up a pretty good battle log swing, but I would say of the three lists it would be the most fun to play.
List two is obviously well balanced. Almost to the point where it can't fall into a medium heavy type list. I'm thinking it might be better to go even more minimal on the battleship and force a second tier 2 in there.
The third list seems a bit iffy to me. The carrier is pretty squishy. I think that list could benefit from the biggest revision process.

Ultimately, I think this is the route I'm going to take, given that the other two lists require substantial painting that I won't have time for between now and NOVA, most likely!

Here is a polished version, which will probably be the one I submit:

+++ 800pt NOVA List (795pts) +++

++ Terran Fleet (Standard Fleet) (795pts) ++

+ Tier 1 (170pts) +

Battleship (170pts)
····Apollo Battleship (170pts)
········Apollo (170pts)
············Apollo (170pts) [Nuclear Torpedoes]
················Nuclear Weapons, Weapon Shielding

+ Tier 2 (385pts) +

Cruiser Squadron (245pts)
····Hermes Cruiser (Uses Teuton Profile Below) (245pts)
········Aegis Shield Cruiser (50pts) [Aegis (50pts)]
········3x Hermes (195pts)
············3x Teuton (195pts) [3x +1 HP (30pts), 3x Nuclear Torpedoes (15pts)]
················Nuclear Weapons, Sector Shielding

Destroyer Squadron (140pts)
····Artemis Destroyer (140pts)
········2x Artemis (140pts)
············2x Artemis (140pts) [2x Nuclear Fore (Fixed) (20pts)]
················Hidden Killer, Maneuverable, Nuclear Weapons

+ Tier 3 (240pts) +

Frigate Squadron (120pts)
····Armsmen Frigate (120pts)
········4x Armsmen (120pts) [4x Armsmen (120pts)]
············Beam Weapons, Difficult Target

Frigate Squadron (120pts)
····Armsmen Frigate (120pts)
········4x Armsmen (120pts) [4x Armsmen (120pts)]
············Beam Weapons, Difficult Target

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Essentially, I limited my upgrades on the BB and Cruisers to get a partial DD squadron in there. I know, I know...not a full squadron, and therefore not optimized. My other option would be to drop the destroyers, cut some upgrades, and squeeze in another cruiser squadron. Not sure which is better, but I like this one because the DDs open up some interesting tactical options.

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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2016, 06:25:19 pm »
I personally put a big X on a partial squadron of Terran destroyers. With a squadron looking to nuke something - 10 AD at optimal range is cutting it close for anything larger than a frigate.
My suggestion with this list is to drop the second squadron of frigates, they're good, but not that good, and use those points to either flesh out the Destroyers and put some shields on that battleship or also drop the destroyers and squeeze an extra Cruiser squadron into your list.
The biggest weak link to your list as it stands is the Destroyers, followed by the frigates. You won't be able to optimize one of those weak links (ie destroyers/2nd cruiser squadron) without dropping the second weak link. Our frigates are good, but not enough to warrant taking points away from a full destroyer squadron. Especially when they aren't necessary in your force organization.

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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2016, 04:31:22 pm »
Yeah, I hear you. I really need to paint a 3rd DD so I can run a full squadron  :(. I really want to keep two squadrons of FFs in the list, given the scenarios I am playing. So, it looks like it will be a second cruisers squadron after all! Here is the *Final* list:

+++ 800pt NOVA List (800pts) +++

++ Terran Fleet (Standard Fleet) (800pts) ++

+ Tier 1 (170pts) +

Battleship (170pts)
····Apollo Battleship (170pts)
········Apollo (170pts)
············Apollo (170pts) [Nuclear Torpedoes]
················Nuclear Weapons, Weapon Shielding

+ Tier 2 (390pts) +

Cruiser Squadron (195pts)
····Hermes Cruiser (Uses Teuton Profile Below) (195pts)
········3x Hermes (195pts)
············3x Teuton (195pts) [3x +1 HP (30pts), 3x Nuclear Torpedoes (15pts)]
················Nuclear Weapons, Sector Shielding

Cruiser Squadron (195pts)
····Hermes Cruiser (Uses Teuton Profile Below) (195pts)
········3x Hermes (195pts)
············3x Teuton (195pts) [3x +1 HP (30pts), 3x Nuclear Torpedoes (15pts)]
················Nuclear Weapons, Sector Shielding

+ Tier 3 (240pts) +

Frigate Squadron (120pts)
····Armsmen Frigate (120pts)
········4x Armsmen (120pts) [4x Armsmen (120pts)]
············Beam Weapons, Difficult Target

Frigate Squadron (120pts)
····Armsmen Frigate (120pts)
········4x Armsmen (120pts) [4x Armsmen (120pts)]
············Beam Weapons, Difficult Target

Created with BattleScribe

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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2016, 05:17:18 pm »
I definitely like this a lot more. I think the second cruiser squadron is going to give you much greater utility then the destroyers would anyways. This is going to be a fun list to play because it is nice and uniform. You don't have to worry about having any complicated synergy or power squadrons and you minimize the make it or break it factor of deployment. Since you can fit that second set of cruisers while keeping the frigates I like it even more.
Those cruisers have two good things going for them:
1. The extra hull point means you'll have 30 hull points of cruisers for your opponents to worry about.
2. Since they are carbon copies of each other neither is going to get higher target priority from your opponent. Which doesn't seem like much, but it means that they will either both be picked on a little or one will be picked on a lot and the other will stay nice and safe.

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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2016, 12:36:25 pm »
Good points! I figure that having two identical cruiser squadrons will mean that my BB will be targeted even more than it already is  ;D.

Ultimately, this list is a little more...conventional than I had initially intended. Still, I feel like it has a decent chance to do well, so thanks to all of you that have provided advice.

One thing that I hadn't thought of before now is the Terran commander from the System Wars PDF. I'm not sure if this list is a good fit, since most of his buffs go towards the assault fleet ships, of which I'm running exactly 0.

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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2016, 01:18:50 pm »
After familiarizing myself with the new accompaniment and mixed squadron options that were added with the taskforce releases I think a medium heavy list is a definite option. The light cruisers fill a Tier 3 slot at 1200 points and above, and you can even mix a standard cruiser into that Tier 3 if you wanted to.
I tried to do a stat comparison of the light cruisers and the Armsmen frigates and found that the light cruisers with turrets provide quite a lot more firepower for the same points cost and a bit better torpedo fire when closer then range band 4. However, you miss out on 1 total hull point and the difficult target buff. On the flip side at 3 hull points they can't be destroyed in one shot with a single critical. 12 hits for a double crit is a lot harder to do and will require quite a bit more firepower from the enemy. It could make the Tier 3 slots a better option at disrupting your opponents engagement options if they dump more shots into the squadron. Hard to say what's better without testing it in a game.
I am going to try some lists built around cruisers and a carrier/battle cruisers once I pick up that box of ships.

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Re: Lists with Medium Tier 1
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 12:14:54 pm »
I like where you are headed with that thinking! I hadn't considered larger (1000pt+) games in this context yet. I have to say, I really like both the models and concept of the CLs. To the best of my knowledge, their 3HP profile is unique not only in FSA but in DW as well. Certainly gets the ol' list making juices flowing!