Author Topic: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions  (Read 2061 times)

Ruckdog

  • Administrator
  • Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 3066
  • Number of Times Thanked: 189
  • Dive! Dive!
    • View Profile
    • Man Battlestations!
Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« on: January 02, 2019, 10:12:51 am »

RuleBritannia

  • Lieutenant Commander
  • ***
  • Posts: 253
  • Number of Times Thanked: 32
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2019, 10:41:40 am »
As with last year I think the biggest risk to your predictions is their optimism, which events can scupper or blow off course.  With a good wind I can definitely see them all occurring, though on the current record I would say Warcradle are most likely to slip, as they still seem to be grinding into gear rather than full steam about being completely happy with their vision, but taking the time to get it right is preferable to rushing.  I would agree that latter part of next year looks likely for DWars, though not sure if a factional drip feed towards Christmas or basic box sets out at launch and extras trickling in.

GW to me is the big unknown.  Obviously BFG has now a PC game presence and Adeptus Titanicus shows them willing to take risks in scale and setting so its very very possible, but their current effective but not long distance rumour mill makes it harder to divine quickly. 

Dakkar

  • Rear Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 1175
  • Number of Times Thanked: 25
  • Mobilis in Mobili
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2019, 02:27:18 pm »
3,4, and 5 are my highest hopes/confidence of your predictions.

In particular, with all the emphasis on Blackstone Fortress (and mention therein on specific ships) my hopes for a BFG resurgent are up. I just don't want to it to be an over-scaled, over-priced, boutique, 2-faction release ala Adeptus-Titanicus

My personal predictions:

1) I will get and play the heck out of OAK & IRON

2) I will be playing old-school Man-O-War with some locals who've located an online source for ship casts. Slaanesh Fleet is in planning now.

3) I will approach anything Warcradle with extreme caution ...
"History is-a made at night. Character is what you are in the dark!"
-- Lord John Whorfin, Red Lectroid Leader

Easy E

  • Lieutenant Commander
  • ***
  • Posts: 444
  • Number of Times Thanked: 112
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2019, 06:17:39 pm »
If GW wants a 'total Universe" of gaming for 40K they need to make a BFG.  Right now Naval is the only genre really escaping their grasp.  Of course, it is possibel that the genre just isn't big enough to be worth it.
Support Blood and Spectacles Publishing:
https://www.patreon.com/Bloodandspectaclespublishing

Covertwalrus

  • Lieutenant Commander
  • ***
  • Posts: 413
  • Number of Times Thanked: 90
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2019, 07:04:08 pm »
 Some bold and not so bold predictions there. I'll give my opinions on them and add a couple myself.

 1. Warcradle will successfully launch DW3,0 this year -
    90% certain they will launch the rules, however, I'll argue over "Successfully": Yes, the rulebook will come out, however, it's going to be interestign as to how much of a commercial success it will be. As a game at present, it's got a lot of skirmish players who want to try "a ships thing" alongside their WWX games versus some hard-core naval SF/Fantasy gamers and I forsee . . . Gripping game sbetween the two types of players at the least.
 As for minis, well, they certainly have been good with the resin items for the "Classics" and seem to be doing some metals as well ( They've got the HEC Hades Interceptor up, with a picture that suggest they've cast it in metal despite listing it as 'resin' :/ ). . . However they keep insisting that plastics is the way to go, which I think might bite them very hard in the ass future, and will delay that until at least Q4 2019.

 2. The Beta for FA will start in Q4 2019
 I'll rate this as 60%; The progress on this entire game is slower than anything else I judge from both the lack of updates by Warcradle ( Who are positive Dizzy Gillespies when it comes to promotion ) and the fact that the writers they have engaged for the fluff have been inactive ( My sources in British SF fabndom are much more limited than in the 80s and 90s, but I hear things. ). I'd be more than surprised if we heard anythign about FA rules before Q2 2020.

 3. Battlestar Galactica:Starship Battles will grow in popularity.
 So say we all!
  Seriously , as long as they don't do a Fantasy Flight stunt as with SW Attack Wing 2.0, there's no reason to assume anything but growth, even though the game is perforce limited to a fixed number of ship and fighter types after all.

 4. Oak & Iron Will Ship On-time to Kickstarter Backers, and will Successfully Transition to Retail.
 Very bold statement in both parts - Ask the non-backers of Age of Tyrants about the second part.
 Still an on-time KS delivery seems likely given the comapny itself so no argument there.

 5. Games Workshop Will Release A New Starship Combat Game in 2019.
 10% chance of this IMHO, and I'm being generous and optomistic ( Otherwise,I'd have said snowballs  ;D ). The market for a Gothic Future sace game has been filled by BFG as far as GW is concerned and they seem to have grown tired of fighting fan-losing battles for IP with all the makers of "Gothic spaceships" at the moment, not to mention havign one of the largest law firms in the US takign out full-page adverts offering to fight them to a loss AGAIN ( And then there's the spectacular failure of Harmony Gold ). Combine all that with GW's unspoken policy that "anyone older than 14 is not our market" and their subsequent treatment of older games systems, the concept seems unlikely from commerical and policy standards.
 Then there's the design factor; GW"s swing is toward finely detailed figuriens and terrian in one ( maybe two ) scales, and they don't seem to have any artists with an interest in smaller scales and designs - OK, one definitely jumped ship to Warcradle, and the K̶r̶y̶s̶t̶a̶l̶l̶n̶a̶c̶h̶t̶ ̶P̶u̶r̶g̶e̶ ̶M̶a̶s̶s̶a̶c̶r̶e̶  Shake up at Forge World over the Epic and others they produced discouraged a lot of sculptors there from working in smaller scale even on their own recognisance - So I don't see them even beign able to produce a line they would be happy with themselves much before Q2 2020. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong  8)

 6. World of Warships Legends Will Launch in 2019, and Boost World of Warships PC Numbers.
 Don't play so I can't comment.
 I do imagine that if the hijinks and p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶l̶o̶i̶t̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ financial mindest of Kixeye continues, there will be more Battle Pirates players joining you, that's for certain  :P

 My own predictions?

 A. Cruel Seas will do steady business, and will produce ranges for riverine warfare in the Viet Nam and "Sand Pebbles" China eras.
 B. Uncharted Seas will have some movement by the end of the year.
 C. SW Armada will decline for the rest of the year, though it won't vanish in 2019.

 Time, as they say, will tell.

« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 07:12:10 pm by Covertwalrus »

Landlubber

  • Administrator
  • Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Number of Times Thanked: 64
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2019, 09:32:01 pm »
"Navigating the shoals..." I see what you did there.  :D

I'm not too interested anymore in where Dystopian Wars goes...best of luck to them, but I think I got off the train at the version 2.5 stop. Will be interested to see what happens with Firestorm Armada. The games were just too similar in my mind for me to really get into Firestorm...and with the early looks at BSG-SB, I may not have much interest in it even if they DO put make it much more different than Dystopian Wars.

I wouldn't mind seeing GW revive Aeronautica Imperialis. I know that game was never more than a side-show from Forge World (I heard a rumor that it was someone's pet project), but it seemed cool and they have the fluff for it. I arrived on the tabletop wargaming scene too late for both BFG and AI, unfortunately. Revival of that game is probably even more of a longshot than BFG, but like you pointed out, GW has been having a lot of success recently (from what I can observe)...not just with Adeptus Titanicus and Bloodbowl, but also Necromunda and Kill Team (Kill Team is one of the reasons that I think Star Wars Legion has been having a bit of difficulty at some of the stores in this area).

I hope Oak and Iron transitions well to retail. There isn't really what we would call a Class "A" age of sail game out there right now (Sails of Glory I think has slipped from that rating), so I think there is an open niche for it. Maybe the idea of small squadrons of sailing ships will hold more appeal than the ship-to-ship duels that Sails of Glory is better known for. The pictures on their FB page look fantastic. Dale, I'll be happy to play some wooden ship combat with you!

Agreed on BSG-SB, although I'm very curious to see how capital ships are going to be included. I could see them making some of the smaller "large" ships, like FFG did with X-Wing, so you have something to run fighters and bombers (Raptors/Heavy Raiders) against. But obviously the battlestars and basestars will have to be much smaller to fit on the table (a battlestar in the same scale as the Vipers would have to be something like 12-15 feet long...which would be dang cool, but still). I'm wondering if they'll have the "fighter stands" like Star Wars Armada uses? As Covertwalrus said, time will tell...
"Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six."--Commander Adama

Easy E

  • Lieutenant Commander
  • ***
  • Posts: 444
  • Number of Times Thanked: 112
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 02:08:25 pm »
Aeronautica Imperialis did not even sell that well the first time it came out.  With flyers in 40K scale now, there is 0 chance it will come out again. 

I say that as a die hard AI player!

 
Support Blood and Spectacles Publishing:
https://www.patreon.com/Bloodandspectaclespublishing

Landlubber

  • Administrator
  • Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Number of Times Thanked: 64
    • View Profile
Re: Blog Post: 2019 Naval Gaming Predictions
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2019, 11:20:05 pm »
You're probably right. But it's still a cool concept for a game, in my humble opinion. And the minis are nice!
"Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six."--Commander Adama