any depth in the DW background was severely lacking
Well, Dakker if you're still reading this, I must say and without trying to be negative, the DW fluff was at least in 2.0 not lacking in depth in my opinion, and coming from a historical background I think I can judge that
Heck, you guys make me want to do that even as someone who's played since the first Uncharted Seas box dropped.
Pardon me? US and DW are
two unrelated games that happen to be naval and done by the same company originally. Frankly, Warcradle's plans for US I happen to think have been great what little they've talked about ( Which has been far less than DW to be fair ). Not sure what point you were making here, apart from RuleBritannia and I being negative and we certainly haven't said anything bad about Uncharted Seas. Ever.
I don't see the issue - to me its like complaining that all that "Jedi stuff" ruins the science fiction of Star Wars.
Do you not remember how bent out of shape all the Star Wars fans got when George Lucas added a sciencey explanation for the force with Midichlorians? It is closer to that in that it isn't an inherent part of the setting but something that is now being rectonned in later.
Well, RuleBritannia, that's not quite what Dakkar meant, as it still meant Jedi
were part of the story and even more of an SF element. Though you are right, there was quite a stink raised about it, so it was quietly dropped.
Actually, people here might recall that there
was a great amount of complaint about "Jedi stuff" in Star Wars; Ben Bova, noted aerospace engineer, SF writer and editor of ANALOG magazine at the time wrote several scathing editorials about how the science in SW took a back seat to "mystical powers of chosen ones" several times, like the targeting computer in the Death Star trench run. He and others were shouted down, mostly because the advent of SW did have a knock-on effect in creating new SF fans, many of whom began to move to the Hard SF of Bova and such authors, with some positive results, but mainly because there was a feeling that SF was a "crap-sack American Ghetto" literature at best, and that Fantasy, written usually by posh people with British accents, was always a superior thing for people to be involved in, and that anything to increase interest was considered a Good Thing.
( Of course, many posh British authors wrote SF too - Lewis, Stapledon and Huxley were even contemporaries of Tolkien - but Fantasy has always seemed to be more legitimate and thus promoted than SF. It seems to come over from literature to gaming quite a lot; You see historical players who are much more willing to have fantasy elements in their games than any advanced or SF elements all the time )).
here is a very interesting divide you are implying, and it could be that we who don't care for this new vision could be holding back the product. There is an interesting risk of losing existing, committed fans who (myself included) were excited about promoting the new game, but as you say it could be a big seller to people not interested.
And that does scare me; Do I raise my voice about what's happening, when doing that
might prevent what I enjoy doing being changed beyond recognition, or do I keep silent, accept the change no matter what, praise the new unreservedly and constantly, and learn to be happy with something I don't like?
I once pointed out in a FB post that since Warcradle own the IP and can do whatever they like, including change the game completely, dump all the old sculpts for new ones and even change the scale, because they
can, and we like female actors working under Harvey Weinstien have to keep mum about our concerns or leave and never be involved again. ( Stuart erased that entire comment, though it was at the very end of a long post where I pointed out my concerns were small compared to what I liked about Warcradle's operations ).
Maybe that's harsh.
Maybe that's negative.
It's how I feel, and can anyone tell me what other SF wet naval game there is to go to if
Idecide to leave?
I am open to hearing more about WC plans; my negativity pertains to mostly what WC has said not what has yet to be revealed
And so am I. I just won't automatically say "I love it it is great" every time to everything if I don't mean it. I will heap on praise when I like something, and I can't say fairer than that. Besides, I'm playing the game and recruiting players, so I don't
think I'm actively killing the game.
(I'm so tempted to make a joke about sock-puppets and a certain minis manufacturer who used such accounts on fora to promote himself, however that was a long time ago and I'll end this on a positive note.)
