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CDR-G

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PE model comparisons
« on: January 04, 2018, 09:10:30 pm »
3x Donnerfaust vs. 4x Lahns?
255 vs. 160
3x 6/5/4 Speerschluders, broadsides, 9 AP, attachment, Spec Defenses (2) vs 4x 6/5/4 (secondary) Speerschluders, 8 AP, plus Pack Tactics and Aerial hunters, (Wow!).
Aside from attaching one to really bump up a Squadron Lahn all the way!
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Re: PE model comparisons
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 07:29:59 pm »
Interesting...so you've come around to the Lahns then?  ;D

They are certainly points efficient compared to the Donnerfaust. Then again, they also compete for small ship slots with the ever-formidable Arminius FF, which might become an issue in some cases.
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Re: PE model comparisons
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 08:03:59 pm »
Just played a game using Lahns. I used them to attack a KoB Medium Bomber at stratospheric height at range band 1. 6 +3x6/2 = 15 plus 3 = 18 AD hitting on 5-6.
Yeah, it was wounded from a fighter attack, then the Lahns killed it--OOF!
Literally a game changer in this instance.
Previously they ravaged a squadron of Stalwarts. Four cruiser guns for 2/3 the price. Oh and more HPs.
Yeah, I guess I'm Lahn fan.
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Re: PE model comparisons
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2018, 08:16:29 pm »
PE smalls, talk about spoiled for choice!. The Wachter is outstanding as an escort. The special squadron of the Konigsburg with 3 Wachters is impressive. The Arminius is super and the Saxony is among the best of the corvettes.
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Re: PE model comparisons
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2018, 08:53:55 pm »
Quote from: CDR-G on January 25, 2018, 08:16:29 pm
PE smalls, talk about spoiled for choice!. The Wachter is outstanding as an escort. The special squadron of the Konigsburg with 3 Wachters is impressive. The Arminius is super and the Saxony is among the best of the corvettes.

It's interesting how the Lahn complements the Wachter, Arminius, and Saxony; it gives a PE admiral a small with good range, good anti-flyer capability, and is a Speerscleuder platform to boot!

The Stolz I think gets a bum rap; the last game I used them in, they did well. Its just that they are an average unit competing against a field of "best in class" units.
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Re: PE model comparisons
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2018, 10:15:51 pm »
"The Stolz I think gets a bum rap; the last game I used them in, they did well. Its just that they are an average unit competing against a field of "best in class" units."
Concur, the additions Spartan added didn't really address the concerns for it. Its tough and dangerous, but I struggle to choose it over others, mostly because of the lack of RB3. RB3 effectiveness is a critical capability in DW, to the point of decisiveness. Without it you are likely to lose those units in the first turn, complicating your first turn movement because you are on the wrong side of the counter strike tactic that dominates so much of the available targeting in DW, especially with weaker units.
If through terrain of screening you can protect them until they can get into RB2, (really RB1) they can hurt.
I am in the group that it should be like the Russians- Like 6/4/4. OR give it a 4DR/5CR and make it a Heavy Destroyer.
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Re: PE model comparisons BBs
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2018, 11:21:39 pm »
Well, is the Emperor redundant?
Compare the Emperor with shields to the Eider MKI with Shields (205 vs 200)
Emperor, Aggressive crew questionable value- Stoic would be of more value, Eider -Elite crew, now where talking.
Emperor 11CR vs 10CR for the Eider Not a trivial difference, getting that 11th hit could be hard.
Eider, stronger RB3 broadsides, RB2 Hmm more complicated; 7 vs 5 BS-that's a significant difference, but the additional 6 Tesla BS may balance the issue.
Aft Teslas on the Emperor-Meh-somebody must make good use of it, but honestly I forget its there
The main guns: a big difference here, Close Quarter Gunnery and High Angle, Wow, Add some Wachters and you have a very dangerous close in Brawler

Gotta go with the Eider even though the Emperor is a great looking model. Going Elite with the Emperor would help but then its 5 points more expensive and still doesn't have CQG and HA.
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Re: PE model comparisons
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2018, 07:16:18 am »
The Emperor is a brilliant little ship. Old, sure, but still quite usable. Though that was in v2, where it still had the calcification generator. I would always run it with the Calcification as then it gave me a very creditable late game boarding threat for a Large or Massive model.

Now though? I would probably still use it, But it's no longer the go to unit it once was. But as a Danish allied unit, it's still a very good unit since it gains the CQG rule and therefore is still very powerful.

The Eider Mk1, is obviously the superior ship though. CQG is extremely powerful. Really the only reason to take an emperor is sentimental value.  At least it is for me.
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