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DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« on: August 07, 2020, 10:51:32 pm »

 I will confess I don't like the idea of plastics. Especially multi-part hulls, because frankly, I know I'm not gonna be able to assemble them all square and even and they will look awful unless I fill the hulls with some kind of filler in the hollow.

Yeah, I'm a resin fan. And living in acountry with a definite "Green" bias, I'm not sure plastics are going to be around much longer . . .

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Re: Plastics Discussion
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2020, 07:13:54 am »
I quite like the Russians as looking less gothic and OTT and closer to Spartan's version, though the turrets could be less hi-tech.  The plastics will be a faff for people like me who are less skilled at modelling, and I dislike that they mix different classes on the same sprue making it harder for those seeking to collect a certain style of force, but that may just be a starter box thing. 

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Re: Plastics Discussion
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2020, 11:24:45 am »

 I will confess I don't like the idea of plastics. Especially multi-part hulls, because frankly, I know I'm not gonna be able to assemble them all square and even and they will look awful unless I fill the hulls with some kind of filler in the hollow.

Yeah, I'm a resin fan. And living in acountry with a definite "Green" bias, I'm not sure plastics are going to be around much longer . . .

Looking at the sprue, I don't think it will be quite as bad as you are fearing it will be; it looks like the hull sides will key in with the deck pieces, which I imagine will help everything lock in squarely. I also don't think seams will be too bad, as it looks like WC has designed these fairly smartly by placing the seams along natural "breaks" in the model, such as the rivet lines on the sides of the hull. Honestly, coming from a background of building a fair number of plastic wargaming minis from a number of manufacturers (GW, Battlefront, PSC), these look pretty well engineered and easy to assemble to me.

I quite like the Russians as looking less gothic and OTT and closer to Spartan's version, though the turrets could be less hi-tech.  The plastics will be a faff for people like me who are less skilled at modelling, and I dislike that they mix different classes on the same sprue making it harder for those seeking to collect a certain style of force, but that may just be a starter box thing. 

I suspect that these will be the standard sprues going forward. Not sure what you mean about how the sprue options make it  harder to collect a certain force...I would think it would make it easier? Instead of having to track down one specific box for a specialist ship, you can just buy the standard sprue and make what you need.

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Re: Plastics Discussion
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2020, 02:09:52 pm »
Ruckdog, I am referring to the fact that there is a mix of small and medium ships, and looks like only one kind of small ships bundled with the differing choices of mediums.

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Re: Plastics Discussion
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2020, 03:46:05 pm »
Ruckdog, I am referring to the fact that there is a mix of small and medium ships, and looks like only one kind of small ships bundled with the differing choices of mediums.

Ah, I see where you are going with that, I think. Are you saying that if you wanted a medium-heavy force, you'd wind up with too many cruisers, and vice versa? Could be an issue...we will have to see I suppose. There might be some moderating factors, though:

1. It's possible that this might be mitigated somewhat by the list building requirements that end up in the final rules (this was never clearly defined during the Beta); IE, you need to take smalls and mediums in some proportion, and the sprues dovetail with that.

2. The sprues might be inexpensive enough that it's not a major issue to get enough ships for what you are wanting to build. The extras could then be used for all manor of things (trade, sell, bits for terrain, etc).

I also get the point about there being only a single type of frigate on the sprue, but then again we have to remember that in terms of the model range WC is essentially starting back at square 1. I wouldn't be surprised to see other types of small ships from WC (maybe in plastic, but I suspect resin is more likely), but I wouldn't expect it real soon. It took Spartan a solid 7-8 months from the initial launch of DW to roll out additional classes of small ships for the first 4 factions, after all.

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DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2020, 03:57:26 pm »
Here is what I was able to summarize from the post:

8/7/20: Warcradle posted Studio Diary #29, indicating the following:
- The first product launched will be the 2-player starter set, Hunt for the Prometheus (Covenant vs. Russians)
- The Hunt for the Prometheus (HftP) will be launched "towards the end of this year." (I assume this means Q4 2020)
- The "vast majority" of the miniatures in the HftP box will be plastic.
- Each sprue has enough parts to make one of several different types of cruiser-sized ship, and two frigates.
- Additional fleets, the "gubbins box" will follow "shortly" after the 2-player set. (From FB discussion on the announcement)

« Last Edit: August 08, 2020, 04:11:41 pm by Ruckdog »

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2020, 04:02:25 pm »
Picture of the sprue from the WC Blog:


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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2020, 05:15:58 pm »
I do wonder what has happened to the first two fleet that were supposedly designed in resin and were going to be released first, the Brits and the Yanks.  Redesign in plastic?

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2020, 07:13:12 pm »
I do wonder what has happened to the first two fleet that were supposedly designed in resin and were going to be released first, the Brits and the Yanks.  Redesign in plastic?

That's what I would guess, based on the discussion in the first paragraph of Diary 29. Remains to be seen how much of them have actually been re-designed, or if its just a translation of the previously shown designs into plastic. I'm quite curious to see just how rapidly the next wave of releases follows the box set launch!

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 04:00:17 pm »
Looks like Launch will be next year according to the new blog, since we will get images of the new Covenant sprues before the end of the year and nothing else.  The Plastics detail isn't a match with Spartan's resin.  https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/2020/warcradle-studios-diary-34

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 04:47:03 pm »
Looks like Launch will be next year according to the new blog, since we will get images of the new Covenant sprues before the end of the year and nothing else.  The Plastics detail isn't a match with Spartan's resin.  https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/2020/warcradle-studios-diary-34

Yep, looks like a bit more of a delay sadly.

Not sure I agree  with you on the detail; to me, it looks just as good, if not better, as the old resin. However, I can see how you can get that impression if you are looking at pics like this one:



And seeing the blurriness near the bow. That seems like a photography issue rather than a lack of sharpness on the model; those parts look razor-sharp on the pic of the whole sprue.

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2020, 05:26:40 pm »
That is fair, might be the picture, but looks a little like warlords smooth plastic.  I think the mortar even on the sprue looks a little crude. 

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2020, 11:39:16 pm »
The turrets and generators look like the details on them are a bit soft. The larger pieces all look good though. Overall they look good but they will not have the same level of detail that resin did. Its a tradeoff you make to get the customisation options of a plastic model

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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2020, 01:48:42 am »

 Someoen asked Stuart for a comparison of sizes for these. He responded swiftly and graciously with this -



 And later, added this, with the comment that pre-orders would be forthcoming.




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Re: DW 3.0 Pre-Launch Discussion MEGA THREAD
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2020, 11:41:59 am »
Those are much better photos. Not sure why they went with the ones in the blog post